Not a real fan, but I admire his work. I know he did some fine stuff with David Sylvian and Rain Tree Crow. Other artists he worked with that are in my collection are: Eye Talk and Masami Tsuchiya (from Ippu Do), while I got one solo-album - Atom Shop. I've listened to his early stuff with BeBob Deluxe, but they never made it to my collection.

Steamingears: Thanks for the response! I will freely admit that I am a complete Bill Nelson nut! If you have any interest at all, I am more than happy to recommend...with a catalog that has now exceeded 80 releases, it can be daunting to figure out where to start. But his work is just terrific, and he is perhaps the most accessible artist I am aware of, interacting with his fans almost daily on his web forums.

If you (or any other HTM fans who might see this) want to give Bill's work a shot, just let me know as I am very happy to act as tour guide!

Big fan here, especially Red Noise. He was as innovative in his own way as Peter Gabriel was at about the time.

"Was"? He still is! Bill releases at least two CD's every year, and each is a wonder! The only way you can get them is via his web site, www.billnelson.com, but they are well worth the little bit of extra effort, bp.

How much he pays you?

OK...I get it. We're not allowed to be enthusiastic about anyone but HTM and connected artists? Nice narrowed minded attitude there, Gulliver. This forum sucks....see ya.

Well, I see Peter has left us. Too bad, although I thought that last post proved he was a little bit touchy. But I can see where Gulliver's reaction (that I read with a and Peter obviously not) came from: no real contribution in the HTM-field. I guess we see him on other forums promoting Bill Nelson.

Peter's thin skin doesn't serve Bill Nelson very well.

I'm a big Nelson fan from Be Bop Deluxe through the most recent stuff. It suprised me that Peter took offense to the tense used when I praised Nelson innovative work (regarding Red Noise). He's made some excellent music since but not much I'd call innovative. Nelson is a prolific writer / performer and puts out more product that anyone I can think of short of Zappa. Like Zappa much of it is tremendous but there are a few poor efforts from time to time.

I wouldn't say that Peter has thin skin so much but more of a lack of tollerance for complete baw-bags ! of which Gulliver is definately a prize specimin.

This is Peter...it was brought to my attention that a friend had added a message here, wanting to defend my honor. My apologies to all...it was certainly not my intention to have this silly, long dead minor issue come alive.

Oh..while I am at it: No one is paid to shill for Bill Nelson, least of all me, who is nothing more than an enthusiast fan who loves to introduce people to my musical hero. And I certainly hope my response to what I felt was an insult does not reflect on Bill in any way.

I continue to spread the word about HTM, and have created several new fans within the Bill Nelson community. There's room for all the great music in the world.

my god !
i've visited the bill nelson site "dreamsville" a few times as i'm a closet be bop deluxe fan.
i don't like his solo stuff at all and it's a good job as i'd be forced to interact with people like martin and peter.
touchy doesn't even begin to describe the forum pages.
don't dare post on there unless you totally love nelson and agree withe everything the other posters have already said.
theres also a fan site called hotel phoenix where you can air your views in a more grown up and civilised manner.
if you're interested in nelson's work,go to the fan site as it's much better.

Actually...try both and make up your own mind.

the official site used to be alright but the forum has slowly attracted a strange type of person. criticise nelson or his work at your peril.suddenly they all gang up on you and get very personal.sometimes bill nelson himself will join in.he can be very patronising.you don't like my new album because you don't understand it, it's on a too high level for you. nobody on there has the balls to say "actually bill, it's crap."

on the other hand the fan site is totally open. they've started reviewing nelson's albums and if you don't like one of them you can openly say so without the fear of been dragged into a childish argument.

also the fan site has masses of content. the official site is empty.
loads of rooms that are "under construction." apart from the forum there's little else on the site. hotel phoenix is chocca with content and would take you hours to view it all and they are always adding more stuff to it. dreamsville never changes and probably never will.

That's all pretty true, carluk. No argument from me, for the most part. Dreamsville has its faults, as do any website/forum. And people do have the tendency to defend Bill and his work...which I think is OK as long as we always allow people to disagree, which hasn't always been true. (Although the HP folks would have you believe it happens daily.) If it is done in a civil tone and with a measure of respect for other's opinions, expressing any opinion should be just fine. (By the way...the nastiest exchanges I have ever had have ALL been with people who are regulars at HP.)

The only thing I would disagree with is the idea that people on Dreamsville don't have "the balls" to say so when they don't like something Bill produces. It always strikes me as odd when people say that? How do you know, carluk, that we think any of Bill's work is crap just because YOU might? Isn't it possible that we say we like it because we actually do? Can you read our minds somehow and know when we are cowering in fear because Bill has made a bad album and we're afraid to say so? Should I pretend I don't like something just to be cool?

I recently posted that I didn't care for a particular song on a recent album. No one disagreed with me accept Bill, who is certainly free to -- his song, after all. He pleasantly tried to explain the message of the song, thinking that I might change my opinion if I understood what he was trying to say (I had taken issue with the lyrics). In response, I said that I understood the message just fine, but still don't like the lyrics or the song. End of story...no attacks, nothing. Whop-tee-doo.

And since we are apparently reviewing web sites here, and free to characterize forum members into lumps, don't post at Hotel Phoenix if you are enthusiastic about Bill's music -- you must make sarcastic remarks about Bill, Dreamsville and the Dreamsville community in EVERY thread, the more bitterness and phony anti-pretension (while insisting on your own superiority) the better, and be sure to include ridicule of individual Dreamsville posters if possible. And for god's sake -- say something positive about Dreamsville at your peril.

Bottom line: These are two different web sites, with different atmospheres and purposes, and tones. I invite anyone who might still be interested after read this nonsense to simply explore both sites and decide for yourself if you like either one. Carluk is quite correct that HP has the content -- Dreamsville is not much more than the forums.

And again, my apologies to the partcipants of this forum for the fact that this "argument" is happening here. It was certainly not my intent. Someone posted a link to this thread on Dreamsville, which started a discussion there (which I would have preferred not happen...no point) and inspired martin to post over here (again, not what I would have wanted), which prompted me to apologize, as this forum is not the place to air dirty laundry from other web sites.

If it were up to me, none of this would have happened and this long-ignored thread would have stayed that way.

I will shut up when I please. You are welcome to your opinion, but need to learn some manners. You might take a few moments to learn to spell, and perhaps use punctuation, as well. Now back to the Hotel, Admiral.

Ahh....Hotel Phoenix in full glory.

I rest my case.

that's quite a long reply to say you think what i said was "all pretty true." you can go on all you like about free speech on dreamsville regarding nelson's work but i can give you 6 names off the top of my head who don't like or allow any negative comments. it wouldn't be fair of me to name them on here but as a regular poster on the site you should already have an idea of who they are. the same morons who totally slated another regular for the hideous crime of selling one of his own nelson cd's on ebay. he didn't steal this cd you understand,it was his own property. the clowns wanted him publicly flogged. and what's all this about that nelson should get a percentage of profits from stuff sold on ebay. what planet do those idiots come from. these people are not fans, they are lunatics.

you asked me if you should pretend not to like an album just to appear cool. of course not that would be stupid. i also can't read people's minds but with 80+ releases i can't believe that anybody can honestly say they like them all. a small percentage of those 80 are total crap and of course opinions differ but everybody must think that some are dodgy.

the fact that nelson tried to sway your judgement of a song you didn't like by explaining what he was trying say reeks of an artist who has his head up his own arse. if you don't like a song, you simply don't like it and why should you change your mind because you know the subject matter. he must have a very high opinion of himself.

as i'm not a regular on either site i'm not qualified to review them.
i was just giving my personal opinion. you seem to have a gripe with the fan site for some reason but i can only suggest that you read the album reviews on there. they are well balanced views from real fans with their honest opinions. you mention the word enthusiastic, it's all over the fan site. you should try looking a little deeper and not be put off because you see something you don't agree with. also there's lots of bitching on dreamsville re. the fan site. you only state the opposite and that's not very fair.

nelson should take a good look at dreamsville. it does nothing to showcase his talent.

Seems I owe Peter a public appoloy, I acted out of sheer annoyance and vented accordingly. It simply got my back up that he took so much abuse for no reason. All the guys was doing was asking if anyone liked Bill Nelson. Now what's so bad about that ?

baw bag ? WTF is an appoloy

Referring to your statement that one should "learn how to spell".
In a previous post you wrote that no one disagreed with you "accept" for Bill.........The correct spelling should be "except"
People in glass houses and all that................

Purvis

answer my questions.

Why exactly is this such a touchy subject ?......all the guy asked was"any Bill Nelson fans here"....next thing you know he's being laid out for it ?....makes no sence. I would have thought a simple yes or no would have done ??
Oh and yes Horrace you are a baw-bag I think coz you run your mouth like afreight t rain and expect everyone else just to put up with the shit that comes out your mouth.You really should button it sometimes mate.... BTW going to Nelsonica this year...?....I'll have a single malt thanks !!

Look spoon face!!! Simple ain't it. WTF was he doing trying to Sell NELL Binsoon on other peoples sites. He's like some form of evangelist. Does he wear his BN badge and scarf in bed? Sign of lunacy that thee know, Touch the screen now if you are addicted to Bill, sad mofo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God the still born walk!!!!!!! YUK YUK

I have been watching this debate closely and Must agree with carluk on all points, You dare not say the wrong word on Dreamsville, you do at your own peril, the Main Culprits, always ready to jump down peoples throats, are Peter, Martin and also someone named WadCock or Something like that please excuse if I have got the name wrong but I haven't visited Dreamsville for ages. because of the Evangelist Crazed kind of fans that reside there.

Anything they don't like they go Running to moderators trying to get people banned and even Bill Nelson Joins in and tells the Mods to lock and move posts if everybody in the Flock! doesn't kneel and Praise Bill Nelson, everyone is so Sickly if you are saying BNs. music is wonderful but if you don't, God! help you! you will be flayed alive!

The Hotel Phoenix is where a few dedicated fans without the Bible Bashing bit who were how can I put it Shat! on from a great height, when BN decided to create Dreamsville. The Hotel Phoenix is permanently being attacked by a hacker and I think certain people on this website knows who or Whom it is? they preach these moral codes but are Bitter twisted evil sickos on the Quiet...Disgusting really

Also I think you will find Martin that your so called good friend Peter attacked one of the posters on this good website and said this forum sucks so how can you justify saying Peter was the person who was abused I see no evidence of that, it sounds like your Warped twisted Mind at work, are you Forreal!!!

Brainstorm